On May 28th and September 24th, 1995 different groups of descendents of William Carl and Mary Heiden met to share their family memories. The conversations were recorded and later written transcripts were made. Below are excerpts which relate to this person or topic..

Pictured is what was called a cassette tape back in pre-digital times.

 

Ralph Heiden - I also have some papers here from the German government that gives August and his family permission to leave Germany. It is for August and his wife, Rika, and three children, Heinrich, Ernst and a little girl, Meta.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Meta was the one that died on the ship on the way over. August and his family arrived about a year before William was born on April 1, 1874.  [See note below]

Jeanie & Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We always heard that she died on the boat and was buried at sea.

Ralph Heiden - Unfortunately, the ship’s records do not show that happening. Normally, if someone died on the ship, that would be noted and there is nothing on the list to indicate that Meta died on ship. The ship’s list that I have shows August Heiden's age 34, a mason.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - A mason? Oh, you mean a bricklayer, not a member of the Masons.

Ralph Heiden - Yes. It also lists Rika, 31, his wife, Herman, 6 years old, male, Ernst, 4 years old, a male, his children, and Meta, 9 months, his baby.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Herman? That should be Henry.

Ralph Heiden - You’re right, it is Heinrich (right). But there was no mention of anyone buried at sea.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We all heard the story that a baby was buried at sea.

Ralph Heiden - That would seem logical since there doesn’t appear to be a record of her here in Michigan. At least not that I have found so far.

Later research discovered that Meta made it to America but died on June 16, 1873 only 12 days after they arrived from Germany. She was just 2 years and 5 months old at the time of death and is buried at the Zion Lutheran Church cemetery in Monroe, Michigan.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Helma, I didn’t know your middle name was Nettie.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Yes, that was after Nettie Spohr. Emma was for Aunt Emma (Stock) Heiden. They both stood up for me.

Ralph Heiden - That was the way they used to do it. Often the person was named after the people who stood up for them at baptism. If they had four witnesses, they had four names.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - They stopped that when they got down to me.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - With your dad it should be Arthur Henry Carl (right). Carl Rathke stood up for him.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Also, Anita’s birth date should be December 3, 1900.

In Germany, the tradition was to have as many as 4 or 5 people act as godparents at the baptism. That is why my great grandfather's name is August Friedrich Anton Theodor Heiden meaning he had four men "stand up" for him. Great grandma's name was Elisabeth Sophia Wilhelmina Friedericka Knaack so four women witnessed her baptism.

For the genealogist, this brings the complication of determining which one was used as the person's common name. Great grandfather was known as August and his wife was Fredericka with the nickname Rika. There was no system as to which name was used.

I'm glad they stopped using this system sometime before I was born or my name would have been Mary Lou after my godmother, Mary Lou Opfermann.

Ralph Heiden - We were talking earlier about the Laas' and Mary Lou has a picture of some of them. Mary and William Heiden, Aunt Libbie Laas, Aunt Emma Laas formerly Ullrich?

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Who are they? I don’t understand what relation they are to us.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They’re Pa’s cousins. That’s where Alice (Laas) Berlin (left) comes in.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We always called them “Aunt and Uncle.” Uncle Will.

Laas was from Texas. He was the “rich” one in the family. Who were the Paulsens?

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - They were relations to Aunt Emma.

Laas, I think. They were some of the leaders when it came to starting the annual Heiden reunion.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Lucille [Lehmkuhl] was a Burmeister wasn’t she?

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Louie and Aunt Rikie Burmeister, she was a Laas too. Lucille had a sister, Mildred, who died of infantile paralysis. No, Lucille was the one on crutches.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Her sister, Florence Burmeister, was the Paulsen. She married a Paulsen. They used to come out from Toledo and they were the ones who made the lemonade at the reunion.

Actually, the members of the Laas' family were related to August Heiden's wife, Rika as shown on the following chart:
 

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Norma Miller remembered that Grandma Rambow (right) was a crabby old lady.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - She was very strict evidently. We used to get instruction before we went there that we were to sit quietly and not ask for anything.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I remember going to Aunt Minnie Rambow’s and she would be sitting there reading the Bible. You didn’t dare say a word until she was done with her scripture.

William and Minne Rambow were Mary (Rambow) Heiden and Fredarecka Heiden's brother and sister. They lived together through their adult lives at the family farm on South Custer Rd.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - One time Lu (Lucille Heiden, mother of Mary Lou Opfermann) (right) and I were wall papering at their house. Uncle Will Rambow came out of the kitchen and stood in the doorway because he had dinner ready.

Lu said to me, “We might as well go home now because he won’t let her eat until we leave.” So, although we had only one strip of paper to hang to finish the room, we left for the day and came back the next day so they could eat their dinner.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - That was the quietest house I was ever in, I remember.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I used to have to stay there all summer. That was torture. That’s why I am such a quiet person. (Laughter)

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Tick Tok, Tick Tok, that old clock they had was so loud in the quiet of the room.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - At ten minutes to nine every night, Uncle Will (right) would get the Bible and hand it to Aunt Minnie (left). She would then read to him in German until 9 o’clock. And I’d set there real still, never saying a word.

When she was done, he would take the Bible and put it back on the shelf. Without saying a word, he would go upstairs to bed. There wasn’t any talking going on at all in the house.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel -   There wasn’t anything for them to do. They didn’t have a radio or anything. After Grandma Rambow died, Herb and I used to go down there to visit. Uncle Willie just loved to play cards. We would have a real good time.

Edna and Henry used to go there and have a good time too. The two of them were so used to just sitting there in the quiet by themselves.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - After Aunt Minnie died, Uncle Will finally got a television.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - He had a dog that he used to fry two eggs for each day.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I would think that the Rambows and the Heidens came over from Germany about the same time. They had some of the same type of furniture. Remember that settee that you had, Helma? Grandpa and Grandma Rambow had a similar piece of furniture in their house. Maybe the two families knew each other before they came over from Germany.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Well the Milhans all went to Bridge School way back then too.

August Heiden and family came to America in 1873 and Heinrich Rambow came in 1874. They were from the same small village in Germany, Gross Wokern. Wilhelmina Rambow's maiden name was a Milhan.

The picture is of a typical 19th century German settee but, unfortunately, it is not the actual one referenced above.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Were the Rambows on the ship list that you got, Ralph?

Ralph Heiden - No but I don’t have the complete list. I only have a copy of the first page with the details about the ship and then the page that lists August Heiden and his family. They were passengers number 304 through 308 so there were probably 400 or more people on the boat. I will check it out.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - It is funny that they lost that baby, Meta and didn’t name some other children after her later on.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Helma, is your middle name, Meta?

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - No, its Nettie. That was Nettie Spohr, they were a neighbor and she stood up for me. She and Aunt Emmie and Uncle Heinrich "Henry" Heiden were my Godparents.

The Rambows came to America in April, 1874 on the ship, S.S. Thuringia about one year after the Heidens arrived in 1873 on the S.S. Saxonia.

Ralph Heiden - Grandpa (William Carl) Heiden bought this farm in 1909 or there about. There are stories about great grandpa (August) Heiden doing the masonry work on the house. Do you know anything about that?

William Frank Heiden - I heard them talking about walking over here from South Custer when Pa was about 13 or 14 to help his dad do the brick work.

Ralph Heiden - Then that would have been about 1890. So that was when someone else owned it?

William Frank Heiden - Yes, I think it was the Langs or someone else who owned the farm at that time.

Ralph Heiden - The 1873 county plat book I think lists the owner of this farm as a man named Meyers.

William Frank Heiden - They called him “Milky Meyers.” I always heard Pa talking about him.

Ralph Heiden - The plat map also showed a piece of landlocked property located on the back of this property. There wasn’t any access from Ida Maybee Road, Dixon, Mulheisen or South Custer.

William Frank Heiden - That would be on the back end of Suhciks farm. It was the Stokes (Stock) that had an old house back in there on a hill. Could be some relation to Bill Stokes (Stock), Aunt Emma’s (right) relations.

Ralph Heiden - There also used to be a house on the north side of the road just east of here. I know Mary Lou was born there and Carl and Anita lived there for a while too.

William Frank Heiden - Carl lived next door here where Jessie Barnes lived. Verdell was born there. Edna and Henry lived in the other place for a while and Bill and Alice (Brossia) Heiden lived there too. Bill worked the farm. That was when old Jesse Wakefield owned it.

Wm Carl Heiden bought the farm on April 1, 1909 which was his 35th birthday. August Heiden was a brick mason by trade. Also, although the family of Emma (Mrs Heinrich) Heiden was often referred to as the "Stokes", but in the obituaries of other family members, they were always under the name Stock.

Over the years, we have also received written memories and remembrances about this person or topic from various family members.

   
   
   

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Mildred Heiden Ralph Heiden Marie Tommelein  Brick Tommelein 
Wm Frank Heiden Helen Heiden Dianne Houpt Mary Lou Opfermann
Wilma Bicking Pat Klass Helma Nickel Jeanie Heiden
 
  • Wilma, Jeanie, Wm Frank, Helma & Marie were children of Wm Carl and Mary Heiden

  • Mildred was married to Arthur Heiden, son of Wm Carl and Mary and was mother of Ralph Heiden

  • Helen was wife of Wm Frank and they were parents of Dianne

  • Pat was daughter of Wilma Bicking

  • Mary Lou is daughter of Leo and Lucille Heiden

  • Ralph, Dianne, Pat and Mary Lou were first cousins

  1. Wm Carl & Mary Heiden
  2. Wm Carl Heiden
  3. Mary (Rambow) Heiden
  4. Heinrich & Emma (Stock) Heiden
  5. Herman & Reka Heiden (Article)
  1. Herman & Reka Heiden (Drake)
  2. Heinrich & Wilhelmina Rambow
  3. Walter Berns Poem
  4. Family Fun Times

  1. Alice Berlin
  2. Edna Berns
  3. Lavern Berns
  4. Walter Berns
  5. Wilma Bicking
  6. Myrna Bishop
  7. Caroline Brown
  8. Bertha Burgard
  9. Donna Burge
  10. Rika Burmeister
  11. Janice Clark
  12. Bertha Drake
  13. Mildred Eipperle
  14. Hilda Fuller
  15. Walter Grams
  16. Sally Guy
  17. Arthur Heiden
  18. August & Rika Heiden
  19. August Heiden Children
  20. Carl Heiden
  21. Ernst Heiden
  22. Harold Heiden
  23. Heinrich Heiden
  24. Heinrich Heiden Children
  25. Helen E. Heiden
  26. Henry Wm Heiden
  27. Herman Heiden
  28. Herman & Reka Heiden
  29. John Heiden
  30. Leo Heiden
  31. Lester Heiden
  32. Maria Heiden
  33. Mary Heiden
  34. Meta Heiden
  1. Norma "Jeanie" Heiden
  2. Robert Heiden
  3. Roger Heiden, Sr.
  4. Velda Heiden
  5. Wm Carl & Mary Heiden
  6. Wm Frank Heiden
  7. William Leo Heiden
  8. Dianne Houpt
  9. Kanseyer Family
  10. Lena Koster
  11. Marvin Koster
  12. Laas Family
  13. Libbie Laas
  14. William Laas
  15. Lucille Lehmkuhl
  16. Milhan Family
  17. Frederick Milhan
  18. Henry Milhan
  19. Linda Miller
  20. Möller Family
  21. Helma Nickel
  22. Mary Lou Opfermann
  23. Rambow Family
  24. The Rambows by Drake
  25. Fred Rambow
  26. Henry Rambow III
  27. Minnie Rambow
  28. Wilhelmina Rambow
  29. Fredareka Schmidt
  30. Pastor Don Thomas
  31. Carol Toburen
  32. Dennis Tommelein
  33. Marie Tommelein

  1. Bridge School
  2. Christmas Eve Party
  3. Dentist Visit
  4. Dixon Rd Lots
  5. The Great Depression
  6. Education
  7. Emigration
  8. Five Generations
  9. German Book
  10. Germany
  11. Grape Community
  12. Wm Heiden Home Farm
  13. Indian Burial Ground
  14. Letters from Germany
  15. Life on the Farm
  1. Lutheran Church
  2. Mecklenburg, Germany
  3. Middle Names
  4. Nephews
  5. Helma Nickel's Cooking
  6. Old Receipts
  7. Reunions
  8. Sparrow Hunting
  9. Stormy Weather
  10. Wedding Shiveree
  11. Willows by the River
  12. The Woodlot
  13. Work on the Farm
  14. Wakefield Gifts