On May 28th and September 24th, 1995 different groups of descendents of William Carl and Mary Heiden met to share their family memories. The conversations were recorded and later written transcripts were made. Below are excerpts which relate to this person or topic..

Pictured is what was called a cassette tape back in pre-digital times.

 

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Here is a book that the preacher must have given Ma and Pa on the day they were married. It is all in German and that is all that I could make of it. That would have been in 1897 when they were married. It really should be with the Heiden History.

(The inside panel of the book reads: Die Gebetsschule oder Die Herzen in die Hoehe! Das Gebet im allgemeinen und das Vaterunser im besonderen erklaert durch Gedanken, Sinnbilder und Dergleichen. Sonntagsschulen und der Familie dargeboten.

This translates into: “The school of prayers or High up the hearts! The prayer in general and the Lord's prayer especially explained through thoughts and allegories. Presented to Sunday Schools and to the family.”)

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Can you understand German, Ralph?

Ralph Heiden - A little bit. I have been getting help on translations from the Prodigy computer network. Let’s start through some of this stuff that I have accumulated over the years. It was very fortunate that in about 1971 my mother and I went over to visit Aunt Agnes (William Carl Heiden’s sister-in-law and wife of John Heiden). I asked, “Do you have any old papers or anything?”

Well, she went up in the closet and got this old box with these old documents. It has August Heiden's naturalization papers when he became a U.S. citizen. There were some old letters from Germany.

In the early 70's, I sent to the East German government requesting information and that is where I got a good start on the Heiden’s in Germany.

Here is a document where my great-grandfather, August (right), applied for U.S. citizenship. He had to renounce all allegiance to the Emperor of Germany.

I have maps of the tiny little towns in what was East Germany where all our ancestors came from. They were sort of like Maybee and Ida and Grape. Very small little places only a few miles apart.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - What about High German and Low German?

Ralph Heiden - I don’t know much about it but I think it is just different ways of speaking the language similar to Irish English versus British English versus American English.

Google says, "Low German, also known as Plattdeutsch, is spoken in the northern, flatlands of Germany, while High German dialects are found in the southern and central regions, including the mountainous areas."

One of the envelopes from the 1920s letters from Germany is shown below. It seems a miracle that it was actually delivered to the correct person.

Maurer in German means bricklayer which was the trade August learned in Germany.

Ralph Heiden - I also have some papers here from the German government that gives August and his family permission to leave Germany. It is for August and his wife, Rika, and three children, Heinrich, Ernst and a little girl, Meta.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Meta was the one that died on the ship on the way over. August and his family arrived about a year before William was born on April 1, 1874. [See note below]

Jeanie & Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We always heard that she died on the boat and was buried at sea.

Ralph Heiden - Unfortunately, the ship’s records do not show that happening. Normally, if someone died on the ship, that would be noted and there is nothing on the list to indicate that Meta died on ship. The ship’s list that I have shows August Heiden's age 34, a mason.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - A mason? Oh, you mean a bricklayer, not a member of the Masons.

Ralph Heiden - Yes. It also lists Rika, 31, his wife, Herman, 6 years old, male, Ernst, 4 years old, a male, his children, and Meta, 9 months, his baby.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Herman? That should be Henry.

Ralph Heiden - You’re right, it is Heinrich (right). But there was no mention of anyone buried at sea.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We all heard the story that a baby was buried at sea.

Ralph Heiden - That would seem logical since there doesn’t appear to be a record of her here in Michigan. At least not that I have found so far.

Later research discovered that Meta made it to America but died on June 16, 1873 only 12 days after they arrived from Germany. She was just 2 years and 5 months old at the time of death and is buried at the Zion Lutheran Church cemetery in Monroe, Michigan.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Did August Heiden have any brothers?

Ralph Heiden - Not from what I could find out. He did have a half-sister, however.

One of the other things that I got from Aunt Agnes was a bunch of letters from Germany to August and Rika (Knaack) Heiden back in the 1920's. Most of them were signed from a Maria Dohmstrich from Rostock, Germany. That is only about 30 or 40 miles away from the little towns where our ancestors lived.

On some of the letters she adds “geb. Schmidt” after her name which means that her maiden name was Schmidt. Well, it seems that August’s half sister (left) married a man named Schmidt and had a daughter, Maria.

So, the letters are from August’s half-sister’s daughter. His niece. She was born in 1866 so she would have been in her sixties at the time the letters were written.

My great-grandmother, Rika, must have sent them the occasional five dollars. That was a huge amount back then because of the inflation going on in Germany at the time. They really appreciated it.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I didn’t know that our grandma was a Knaack.

Jeanie & Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Yes, she was.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - So, Maria Heiden never married Kannseyer?

Ralph Heiden - No, and who knows why. From what I’ve read, they were having a population problem in Germany so they made it very difficult for people to get married. But, people being what we are, they went ahead and had children anyway. A very large percentage of the births during the mid-1800's were out of wedlock.

But they never did get married. When she died in 1874, she was still listed as Maria Heiden.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - So, how many children did she have?

Ralph Heiden - Just the two as far as I know. August in 1838 and the daughter, Fredericka, in 1832. She was the mother of the one who wrote the letters.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Pa always said they came from Mecklenburg. Is that a county or what? When we were in Germany we saw a sign for town called Heidenfahrt!

Ralph Heiden - Mecklenburg is a region of Germany. The Heidens came from tiny little towns called Gross Wokern, Mamerow, Klaber and a bunch of others.

Now, where did your grandfather, August, live here in Monroe County?

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - August always lived on South Custer where Uncle John lived. That’s the only place they lived as far as I know. The same with the Rambows. [See Note Below]

Later research showed that August Heiden and family lived on West 9th Street in the City of Monroe according to the 1880 U.S. Census. We don't know exactly when the bought the property on South Custer Road. The 1890 census reports were destroyed by a fire.

I also saw the town of Heidenfahrt on a map of Germany. It translates into Heathen Journey or a journey to a heath.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Ma’s grandmother, Miller (or Möller), died in Germany before they came over to America. According to Ma, she was old anyway and did not know for sure if she wanted to come over here. Of course, that’s the Rambow’s side. (See below)

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - August landed in New York? How did they get to Monroe? [Heidens to Monroe]

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Normally, they had someone over here sponsor them.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Did the Rambows come on the same ship?

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - The Rambows and Milhans came over about the same time.  [See note below]

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - It seems that they all came over about the same time because they knew somebody here. I’ve also got the cedar chest (left) that Ma’s mother (Wilhelmina Rambow) brought over from Germany. Ma used it as a hope chest.

Ralph Heiden - When I got the ship list originally, back in 1974, I contacted a lady in Washington D.C. who, for a fee, looked it up in the National Archives.

Now, there are some books that list all the ship logs for the mid-1800's that left Germany for the U.S. I contacted a person on the computer network, Prodigy, and they looked it up for me and found the same information that appears on the information I had.

They also found at least one other Heiden that came over on the ship but I did not recognize the name.

According to reports from the Rambow family, Wilhelmina (Mrs Heinrich) Rambow's mother, Marie (Möller) Milhan was planning to accompany them to America. Unfortunately, she died just before the family was due to leave Germany in April, 1874.

Her three young children, Fredericka, William and Chrisopher Milhan came to America and Monroe County with their older sister, Wilhelmina. An older brother, Fred Milhan, had made the journey one year earlier and they all eventually settled within about a mile of each other in Raisinville Township.

Ralph Heiden - The letters are rather sad overall. They were having some very tough times in Germany then and they were always asking their Aunt Rika, my great grandmother, for money.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - In one of them, they ask for some money for a house and some land. Then, later they say they bought the house but needed more money for the land.

Marie (Heiden) Tommelein - Did they ever help them?

Ralph Heiden - Yes, they sent money when they could and they were always very appreciative of it and told what the money would buy.

Brick Tommelein -   My dad said that at that time, everyone over in Europe called America “the land of opportunity.”

Ralph Heiden - A lot of people here were helping their relatives then too. In one of the letters, they ask Rika to send her letters registered because people were stealing things from mail from America because those envelopes were likely to have money in them.

Helen (Henning) Heiden -   Now are these letters all from Mecklenburg?

Ralph Heiden - Yes. They are from the area called Mecklenburg and the port city of Rostock. The little villages where our ancestors came from are the size of Grape and Maybee and they are about 50 miles from Rostock.

Helen (Henning) Heiden -   From the Hennings, I heard them say that the people were like slaves back then in Germany. They worked for all these big rich people. They provided pay for them and took care of them but they couldn’t get ahead. They didn’t want them to get married because there were already too many of them to take care of. That is where the Hennings came from too.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Didn’t you say that our name should be something other than Heiden?

Ralph Heiden - Yes, my great grandmother, Maria Heiden, did not marry the father of August. So, he took her name rather than his father’s which was Kanseyer or Canseyer.

Helen (Henning) Heiden -   That’s the same way with my grandpa Henning. Grandma wasn’t married when she had those two kids.

Ralph Heiden - That was a real common occurrence back then.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - They wouldn’t let you get married unless you could support yourself.

Ralph Heiden - They technically weren’t slaves but there was nowhere else for them to go except to another big estate to work and they were full too. Also, the landowner had the responsibility to take care of the people on his land so he was stuck too.

That is why they pushed a lot of them to leave and go to America. Also, the illegitimacy rate went way up because even though they weren’t legally allowed to marry, people continued to form couples and do what they needed to do.

Helen (Henning) Heiden -   You wonder why the Heidens would come here but they said on the Henning side that they would send money back to Germany to help others come here.

Ralph Heiden - But with the Heidens, we don’t know who was here to pave the way for them. Maybe with this Laas connection, there might be something to go on.

The Rambows came a year later. They came here in 1874 and I don’t know if they came from the same part of Germany as the Heidens. I haven’t looked into that yet. (See the note below)

I think about the only way we are going to learn why the Heidens came here is if we stumble onto somebody in one of the other branches that has an old box of papers up in the attic that someone gave them long ago. Otherwise, the reason may be lost to history.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - You might get something from Caroline Brown (right) too. Helma was going to check with her. She and her husband, Bill, used to attend all the old reunions. He used to take movies of the reunions. She is somehow related to the Laas side.

William Frank Heiden - She was Uncle John Laas’ daughter.

Marie (Heiden) Tommelein - She came to our place in Florida one time looking for Helma’s address.

Ralph Heiden - Perhaps she would have the old films laying around someplace. We could put them on videotape.

Marie (Heiden) Tommelein - I don’t remember him taking movies.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Oh, yes. Don’t you remember everybody trying to duck out of the way all the time?

Helen (Henning) Heiden - You know, Aunt Agnes probably had some old papers.

Ralph Heiden - Yes, that is where I got a lot of these old documents. They had the names of the old villages in Germany where August and his wife and three of their children were born. There was also a document that I think is August’s discharge paper from the army. He served from 1859 to 1861.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - His naturalization papers were there too.

Ralph Heiden - Yes, the papers where he applied for citizenship and then was granted U.S. citizenship.

Further research by Karen (Berns) Wheaton and myself found that the Rambows and Heidens lived in the same little village of Gross Wokern, Germany. Caroline Brown's maiden name was Laas.

 

Over the years, we have also received written memories and remembrances about this person or topic from various family members.

   
   
   

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Mildred Heiden Ralph Heiden Marie Tommelein  Brick Tommelein 
Wm Frank Heiden Helen Heiden Dianne Houpt Mary Lou Opfermann
Wilma Bicking Pat Klass Helma Nickel Jeanie Heiden
 
  • Wilma, Jeanie, Wm Frank, Helma & Marie were children of Wm Carl and Mary Heiden

  • Mildred was married to Arthur Heiden, son of Wm Carl and Mary and was mother of Ralph Heiden

  • Helen was wife of Wm Frank and they were parents of Dianne

  • Pat was daughter of Wilma Bicking

  • Mary Lou is daughter of Leo and Lucille Heiden

  • Ralph, Dianne, Pat and Mary Lou were first cousins

  1. Wm Carl & Mary Heiden
  2. Wm Carl Heiden
  3. Mary (Rambow) Heiden
  4. Heinrich & Emma (Stock) Heiden
  5. Herman & Reka Heiden (Article)
  1. Herman & Reka Heiden (Drake)
  2. Heinrich & Wilhelmina Rambow
  3. Walter Berns Poem
  4. Family Fun Times

  1. Alice Berlin
  2. Edna Berns
  3. Lavern Berns
  4. Walter Berns
  5. Wilma Bicking
  6. Myrna Bishop
  7. Caroline Brown
  8. Bertha Burgard
  9. Donna Burge
  10. Rika Burmeister
  11. Janice Clark
  12. Bertha Drake
  13. Mildred Eipperle
  14. Hilda Fuller
  15. Walter Grams
  16. Sally Guy
  17. Arthur Heiden
  18. August & Rika Heiden
  19. August Heiden Children
  20. Carl Heiden
  21. Ernst Heiden
  22. Harold Heiden
  23. Heinrich Heiden
  24. Heinrich Heiden Children
  25. Helen E. Heiden
  26. Henry Wm Heiden
  27. Herman Heiden
  28. Herman & Reka Heiden
  29. John Heiden
  30. Leo Heiden
  31. Lester Heiden
  32. Maria Heiden
  33. Mary Heiden
  34. Meta Heiden
  1. Norma "Jeanie" Heiden
  2. Robert Heiden
  3. Roger Heiden, Sr.
  4. Velda Heiden
  5. Wm Carl & Mary Heiden
  6. Wm Frank Heiden
  7. William Leo Heiden
  8. Dianne Houpt
  9. Kanseyer Family
  10. Lena Koster
  11. Marvin Koster
  12. Laas Family
  13. Libbie Laas
  14. William Laas
  15. Lucille Lehmkuhl
  16. Milhan Family
  17. Frederick Milhan
  18. Henry Milhan
  19. Linda Miller
  20. Möller Family
  21. Helma Nickel
  22. Mary Lou Opfermann
  23. Rambow Family
  24. The Rambows by Drake
  25. Fred Rambow
  26. Henry Rambow III
  27. Minnie Rambow
  28. Wilhelmina Rambow
  29. Fredareka Schmidt
  30. Pastor Don Thomas
  31. Carol Toburen
  32. Dennis Tommelein
  33. Marie Tommelein

  1. Bridge School
  2. Christmas Eve Party
  3. Dentist Visit
  4. Dixon Rd Lots
  5. The Great Depression
  6. Education
  7. Emigration
  8. Five Generations
  9. German Book
  10. Germany
  11. Grape Community
  12. Wm Heiden Home Farm
  13. Indian Burial Ground
  14. Letters from Germany
  15. Life on the Farm
  1. Lutheran Church
  2. Mecklenburg, Germany
  3. Middle Names
  4. Nephews
  5. Helma Nickel's Cooking
  6. Old Receipts
  7. Reunions
  8. Sparrow Hunting
  9. Stormy Weather
  10. Wedding Shiveree
  11. Willows by the River
  12. The Woodlot
  13. Work on the Farm
  14. Wakefield Gifts