On May 28th and September 24th, 1995 different groups of descendents of William Carl and Mary Heiden met to share their family memories. The conversations were recorded and later written transcripts were made. Below are excerpts which relate to this person or topic..

Pictured is what was called a cassette tape back in pre-digital times.

 

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Ask Ralph why he liked to work for Herb bailing hay and straw in the summers.

Ralph Heiden - For Helma’s great meals! She would put out a wonderful spread every day at noon when we would come in from the field.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Helma (right) was the best cook!

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - She taught me how to clean house.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I stayed with her one summer when Larry was little. She taught me how to cook and how to make good gravy.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Well, I learned how to cook and clean at home. I used to help Ma a lot. Of course, when Jeanie was born, I was 17 years old and I was practically her mother.

Ma had a heart problem by then and had to take it easier. That’s the reason Jeanie was the only one of the thirteen kids that was born in the hospital. She was six weeks early and Ma was weak afterwards for a while. Jeanie was delivered by Dr. Douglas in St. Vincent’s Hospital in Toledo.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Is that what she had, I thought it had something to do with her kidneys.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - No, it was her heart.

Ralph Heiden - My generation has some memories of our grandparents but, like I said in the letter, Grandpa was 74 when I was born so there is a lot of his life I do not remember.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - He was 52 and Ma was 49 when I was born! I don’t remember Ma and Pa without grey hair.

Pat (Bicking) Klass - I remember Grandpa more than Grandma. We were up to their house to play more than anything.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - The kids weren’t up there to talk with their grandparents.

Ralph Heiden - What illnesses did Grandma have toward the end of her life?

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I think it was mostly her heart.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Her death certificate calls it arteriosclerosis. Hardening of the arteries.

Ralph Heiden - I vaguely remember something about a lung problem.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Yes, she had bronchitis.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Her one lung was almost completely calcified.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Seems like she would get pneumonia about every year.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - They had to put a tube in her lung once to draw out fluids.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I took her to Ann Arbor one time and they came out and said, “Your mother has one lung completely calcified and the other one is starting to go. I would say your mother has about 6 months to live.”

Ralph Heiden - When was that?

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - It was about 15 years before she died!

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I took her to a Toledo heart clinic. When he got done examining her, he called me in the office. He showed me an EKG and it had a real thin little line. He said, “Now that string, if that breaks, she is gone. So don’t let her do much work.”

After that, she would lie on the davenport a lot and avoid the heavy work.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - She would get awfully tired so easy.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Sometimes she would want to bake cookies but she would get them started and then be too tired to finish them. But that was 15 or 20 years before she died.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - She evidently had pleurisy or something and every year she would get a cold. And it seemed like her lungs never cleared up. That calcified in there.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Remember they tapped her side and put a tube in to drain off that excess.

Ralph Heiden - I had a similar problem when I was 18. My lung collapsed and I had to have a tube inserted to drain off the excess fluids.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I can remember that Dr. Marin would come over when she had the colds. He would start her off on sulfa drugs. Then a brown spot she had on her face would turn a bright red. Then he would switch to something else. Then he would switch to terramycin and finally clear it up.

I asked him why he always started with something else before switching to terramycin which always worked. Why not start right out with terramycin?

He said, “Well, I always start with the weaker stuff before moving up to the more powerful drugs.”

Ralph Heiden - One of the things a lot of people have mentioned is Grandma’s cooking.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - At least three times a week, she would bake bread.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - She made the best sugar cookies!

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - One time Art went over to their house and he came back and said, “Ma’s making bread today. Don’t you think you should go and help her?”

I knew that he just wanted me to go and learn how to make bread like she did. So, I said, “With all the experience she’s had, I don’t think she needs my help!”

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - She would make donuts too. The ones I liked best where when she would make those long stick, long-johns and frost them.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - A lot of the relatives from Toledo like the Laas’ and Berlin’s would come on Sunday night just in time for dinner.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Always!

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They would come about 4 or 5 p.m. Ma would send us down in the basement to get some more jars of preserved beef. Boy, that made the best gravy! Or, she would make some pork sausages and fried potatoes.

Ralph Heiden - You wonder now about how people make such a big deal out of eating a pat of butter or having an occasional egg for breakfast when back then, they ate the fattest meats and sausages.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Ma would save the grease from bacon. Then when you fried potatoes you would use that grease.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Sometimes they would put that old lard directly onto bread and eat it like a sandwich! And we worry about eating a little bit of butter.

Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Art always talked about taking lard sandwiches to school.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I can remember coming home from school and taking a piece of fresh bread and putting the bacon grease on it for a snack.

Pa used to eat mettwurst and eggs and spicanse for breakfast.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I can remember him cutting the fat off pork and eating it. It would make us kids almost sick.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - On Easter Sunday, he would eat six boiled eggs for breakfast. That was his traditional meal.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - During Lent, we could never go to a dance or to the movies back then.

Helma (Heiden) Nickel - You never got married during Lent either. There were a lot of February weddings because you had to get married before or after Lent.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Unless it was a shotgun wedding!

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Pa was pretty lenient about that kind of thing. Ma wasn’t so easy going. When she said, “No.” she meant it and there would be no arguing with her. You never asked, “Why not?”

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I did once. Joe Long called and asked if I could go to the show with him. He was older than I was and I was about 15 or 16 at the time. I was on the phone with him and turned around to ask Ma if I could go to the show that night.

She said, “Who with?”

I said, “Joe Long.”

She said, “No.”

I told him I couldn’t go and put down the phone. Then I turned around and said to Ma, “Why can’t I go?”

She said, “He’s too old for you.”

I shot back, “Well, I’m not going to marry him! I’m just going to go to the show.”

Man, she gave me a whack and I never asked again!

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Tell them about the time you got kicked out of school and she had to go up and get you back in.

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - A bunch of us including Mary Lou went driving all over instead of going to school one day. We got back just in time to get our ride home. Well, somebody saw us leave in the morning and tattled to the principal. So, in the meantime, before we got home, they had called to tell Ma.

When we got home, she was at the front door and said, “How come your face is so red?”

I said, “It was hot.”

She replied, “Hot where? In school? You weren’t in school! Professor Ayris called.”
I said, “Well, everybody skips once in a while.”

The teacher said we couldn’t come back to school unless our parents came with us. So, Ma and Lou came up with us.

Well I had skipped before one time to go to Tecumseh so I had to tell her, “Remember that other time when I was sick and didn’t go to school?”

Those two days I skipped were the only two days I missed in four years of high school.

Mary Lou, your mother brought this up at a birthday party one time. She said, “Yes, I remember that. I told Mary Lou that if she ever did that again, she wasn’t going back to school! She could do housework.”

In the end, they let us back in and we didn’t even have to make up our tests or anything. We got our same A’s so it didn’t mean anything in the end.

It’s funny that you don’t remember all the days you went to school, but you do remember the days you skipped.

Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We went to Cleary College one day with our class. There were about 5 or 6 of us in our car. When the rest of them went back to Dundee to school, well, we didn’t follow.

We just rode around all day. We stopped and had some pop and stuff and just had a big time. Just like you, we got back just in time to catch our ride home.

Next morning, we got called down to the office. The principal told us to all to meet down by the huge French doors in the front of the school.

When we got there, they had glass cleaner and rags for us. We spent the next several hours washing those windows. I never washed so many windows in my life!

Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We would have gladly washed windows in exchange for not telling our parents. I thought Pa would have a fit and make me stay home from school when he heard about it. All he did was start calling me, “Skippy!”

[Looking at old family reunion pictures from the 1920's]

Brick Tommelein -   Mother (Mary) Heiden (right) was a tall woman. It didn’t seem like it at the time but when you look at her in these pictures, she seems quite tall.

Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - All the Rambows were big people.

Ralph Heiden - In this one old picture that guy with the hat and string tie looks like he just got back from the wild west.

Helen (Henning) Heiden -   He looks like Wyatt Earp!

Ralph Heiden - This was about 1921 or so, I think.

William Frank Heiden - Maybe that was old Bill Laas from Texas. He might look like that.

 

Over the years, we have also received written memories and remembrances about this person or topic from various family members.

 

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Mildred Heiden Ralph Heiden Marie Tommelein  Brick Tommelein 
Wm Frank Heiden Helen Heiden Dianne Houpt Mary Lou Opfermann
Wilma Bicking Pat Klass Helma Nickel Jeanie Heiden
 
  • Wilma, Jeanie, Wm Frank, Helma & Marie were children of Wm Carl and Mary Heiden

  • Mildred was married to Arthur Heiden, son of Wm Carl and Mary and was mother of Ralph Heiden

  • Helen was wife of Wm Frank and they were parents of Dianne

  • Pat was daughter of Wilma Bicking

  • Mary Lou is daughter of Leo and Lucille Heiden

  • Ralph, Dianne, Pat and Mary Lou were first cousins

  1. Wm Carl & Mary Heiden
  2. Wm Carl Heiden
  3. Mary (Rambow) Heiden
  4. Heinrich & Emma (Stock) Heiden
  5. Herman & Reka Heiden (Article)
  1. Herman & Reka Heiden (Drake)
  2. Heinrich & Wilhelmina Rambow
  3. Walter Berns Poem
  4. Family Fun Times

  1. Alice Berlin
  2. Edna Berns
  3. Lavern Berns
  4. Walter Berns
  5. Wilma Bicking
  6. Myrna Bishop
  7. Caroline Brown
  8. Bertha Burgard
  9. Donna Burge
  10. Rika Burmeister
  11. Janice Clark
  12. Bertha Drake
  13. Mildred Eipperle
  14. Hilda Fuller
  15. Walter Grams
  16. Sally Guy
  17. Arthur Heiden
  18. August & Rika Heiden
  19. August Heiden Children
  20. Carl Heiden
  21. Ernst Heiden
  22. Harold Heiden
  23. Heinrich Heiden
  24. Heinrich Heiden Children
  25. Helen E. Heiden
  26. Henry Wm Heiden
  27. Herman Heiden
  28. Herman & Reka Heiden
  29. John Heiden
  30. Leo Heiden
  31. Lester Heiden
  32. Maria Heiden
  33. Mary Heiden
  34. Meta Heiden
  1. Norma "Jeanie" Heiden
  2. Robert Heiden
  3. Roger Heiden, Sr.
  4. Velda Heiden
  5. Wm Carl & Mary Heiden
  6. Wm Frank Heiden
  7. William Leo Heiden
  8. Dianne Houpt
  9. Kanseyer Family
  10. Lena Koster
  11. Marvin Koster
  12. Laas Family
  13. Libbie Laas
  14. William Laas
  15. Lucille Lehmkuhl
  16. Milhan Family
  17. Frederick Milhan
  18. Henry Milhan
  19. Linda Miller
  20. Möller Family
  21. Helma Nickel
  22. Mary Lou Opfermann
  23. Rambow Family
  24. The Rambows by Drake
  25. Fred Rambow
  26. Henry Rambow III
  27. Minnie Rambow
  28. Wilhelmina Rambow
  29. Fredareka Schmidt
  30. Pastor Don Thomas
  31. Carol Toburen
  32. Dennis Tommelein
  33. Marie Tommelein

  1. Bridge School
  2. Christmas Eve Party
  3. Dentist Visit
  4. Dixon Rd Lots
  5. The Great Depression
  6. Education
  7. Emigration
  8. Five Generations
  9. German Book
  10. Germany
  11. Grape Community
  12. Wm Heiden Home Farm
  13. Indian Burial Ground
  14. Letters from Germany
  15. Life on the Farm
  1. Lutheran Church
  2. Mecklenburg, Germany
  3. Middle Names
  4. Nephews
  5. Helma Nickel's Cooking
  6. Old Receipts
  7. Reunions
  8. Sparrow Hunting
  9. Stormy Weather
  10. Wedding Shiveree
  11. Willows by the River
  12. The Woodlot
  13. Work on the Farm
  14. Wakefield Gifts